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	<title>Comments on: Lessons from Google: Thunderbird as a Firefox extension!</title>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 03:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not examined the financial plan for Mozilla, so I don&#039;t know what their pressures are. But I can see that the hot browsers on the market are webkit based, and the Mozilla codebase is not moving forward quickly enough to keep up with them.

So while it may seem like Mozilla has a lot of money, their revenue is miniscule compared to their main competitors in this race, which are Google, Apple, and Microsoft. They need to invest more in their browser to keep up. So while you might claim that their income is enough for &quot;one&quot; (person?), it is not enough to both maintain a product edge, and to invest large sums of money in things that do not contribute to their monetization scheme, at least in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not examined the financial plan for Mozilla, so I don&#8217;t know what their pressures are. But I can see that the hot browsers on the market are webkit based, and the Mozilla codebase is not moving forward quickly enough to keep up with them.</p>
<p>So while it may seem like Mozilla has a lot of money, their revenue is miniscule compared to their main competitors in this race, which are Google, Apple, and Microsoft. They need to invest more in their browser to keep up. So while you might claim that their income is enough for &#8220;one&#8221; (person?), it is not enough to both maintain a product edge, and to invest large sums of money in things that do not contribute to their monetization scheme, at least in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that one of the highest paid open-source projects in history won&#039;t make enough money to &quot;sustain&quot; itself seems a bit silly doesn&#039;t it? 

Is there ever a point when one has enough money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that one of the highest paid open-source projects in history won&#8217;t make enough money to &#8220;sustain&#8221; itself seems a bit silly doesn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>Is there ever a point when one has enough money?</p>
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		<title>By: Rethinking Thunderbird &#124; Kabatology ~ Open Source, Linux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rethinking Thunderbird &#124; Kabatology ~ Open Source, Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you&#8217;ve got suggestion drop them here; Lessons from Google: Thunderbird as a Firefox extension!   Also Read Thunderbird 3 RC 2 Update AvailableGive Thunderbird 3 More Shine with the Silvermel [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you&#8217;ve got suggestion drop them here; Lessons from Google: Thunderbird as a Firefox extension!   Also Read Thunderbird 3 RC 2 Update AvailableGive Thunderbird 3 More Shine with the Silvermel [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
		<link>http://mesquilla.com/2010/06/01/lessons-from-google-thunderbird-as-a-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thunderbird needs to find a way to make money&quot;

I tried to bring up the example from the interview with Google&#039;s Andy Rubin. He was asked this exact question with regards to the Android operating system. His response was that this is actually not the relevant question, and that is the point I was trying to make. The question really is, how does my product contribute to the entire monetization scheme of my organization&#039;s bundle? As long as the product contributes significantly to the goal of keeping people engaged with the monetized bundle, then it is not necessary to directly relate &quot;Android&quot; to &quot;search revenue&quot; - or in the Mozilla analogy, &quot;SkinkFox&quot; to &quot;FireFox&quot;.

&quot;Why not reverse your proposal and keep user’s inside Tbird, searching from a Tbird-owned search box&quot;

Because the powerful bundle to build on is not Thunderbird, but FireFox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thunderbird needs to find a way to make money&#8221;</p>
<p>I tried to bring up the example from the interview with Google&#8217;s Andy Rubin. He was asked this exact question with regards to the Android operating system. His response was that this is actually not the relevant question, and that is the point I was trying to make. The question really is, how does my product contribute to the entire monetization scheme of my organization&#8217;s bundle? As long as the product contributes significantly to the goal of keeping people engaged with the monetized bundle, then it is not necessary to directly relate &#8220;Android&#8221; to &#8220;search revenue&#8221; &#8211; or in the Mozilla analogy, &#8220;SkinkFox&#8221; to &#8220;FireFox&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not reverse your proposal and keep user’s inside Tbird, searching from a Tbird-owned search box&#8221;</p>
<p>Because the powerful bundle to build on is not Thunderbird, but FireFox.</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a developer, I know it would be fun to work on revolutionary software. Yet Thunderbird&#039;s user base for the foreseeable future are legacy users. I&#039;ve been tempted to do a blog post &quot;What went wrong with Thunderbird 3.0&quot; soon, and a major part of that is that the new Thunderbird team thought that their user base was more interested in innovation than they turned out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a developer, I know it would be fun to work on revolutionary software. Yet Thunderbird&#8217;s user base for the foreseeable future are legacy users. I&#8217;ve been tempted to do a blog post &#8220;What went wrong with Thunderbird 3.0&#8243; soon, and a major part of that is that the new Thunderbird team thought that their user base was more interested in innovation than they turned out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is not fundamentally about external competition, it is about understanding Mozilla as a system (or bundle) that works together to generate revenue. Mozilla is competing with itself by directing users away from its browser to Thunderbird, and it does not need to be doing that. From that perspective, Thunderbird is a &quot;competitor&quot; to FireFox, while Gmail is not.

&quot;public opinion in recent weeks has swung to the anti-bundling side of things&quot;

While that may be true, it is also true that in the last few weeks a master bundler (Apple) has now surpassed Microsoft in total market value. What people whine about and what they really want and need are not always the same thing. Nobody wants to have money extracted from them, but it is necessary for any organization to extract money from someone if they are to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is not fundamentally about external competition, it is about understanding Mozilla as a system (or bundle) that works together to generate revenue. Mozilla is competing with itself by directing users away from its browser to Thunderbird, and it does not need to be doing that. From that perspective, Thunderbird is a &#8220;competitor&#8221; to FireFox, while Gmail is not.</p>
<p>&#8220;public opinion in recent weeks has swung to the anti-bundling side of things&#8221;</p>
<p>While that may be true, it is also true that in the last few weeks a master bundler (Apple) has now surpassed Microsoft in total market value. What people whine about and what they really want and need are not always the same thing. Nobody wants to have money extracted from them, but it is necessary for any organization to extract money from someone if they are to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your &quot;copy, copy, copy&quot; is my attempts to fight a &quot;not invented here&quot; mentality. Personally, I don&#039;t find enough appreciation of what is happening with other vendors in the Mozilla community. I really don&#039;t think that you are helping matters when you accuse people whoare being open-minded about the what is going on around them, of being nothing but a &quot;copy&quot; of someone else.

Innovation is usually 90% copying with a small additional insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8220;copy, copy, copy&#8221; is my attempts to fight a &#8220;not invented here&#8221; mentality. Personally, I don&#8217;t find enough appreciation of what is happening with other vendors in the Mozilla community. I really don&#8217;t think that you are helping matters when you accuse people whoare being open-minded about the what is going on around them, of being nothing but a &#8220;copy&#8221; of someone else.</p>
<p>Innovation is usually 90% copying with a small additional insight.</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the existing integrations may be awful, to me that is a critical issue in all of this that ought to be addressed. So much of email now has become an attention getter that points you to a website (Facebook friend request is an example). The integration is occurring anyway, and we need to make it work more cleanly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the existing integrations may be awful, to me that is a critical issue in all of this that ought to be addressed. So much of email now has become an attention getter that points you to a website (Facebook friend request is an example). The integration is occurring anyway, and we need to make it work more cleanly.</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I am not using the wrong name, I really meant an extension under FireFox. An independent XUL application does not contribute to &quot;turning the revenue crank&quot;, and that is the perspective I am promoting in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I am not using the wrong name, I really meant an extension under FireFox. An independent XUL application does not contribute to &#8220;turning the revenue crank&#8221;, and that is the perspective I am promoting in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand why an extension is inherently less innovative than a standalone application, other than that the effort to repackage takes away from time that might be spent innovating.

I&#039;m not sure that innovation is the goal of Thunderbird either. Yes it is one of many possible goals, yet there are other pressures as well. I hope to discuss these issues in further posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand why an extension is inherently less innovative than a standalone application, other than that the effort to repackage takes away from time that might be spent innovating.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that innovation is the goal of Thunderbird either. Yes it is one of many possible goals, yet there are other pressures as well. I hope to discuss these issues in further posts.</p>
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