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	<title>Comments on: Junk management for newsgroups in Thunderbird 3</title>
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	<description>Messaging with Mozilla by rkent</description>
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		<title>By: Favorite Softwares &#124; Warren Tang&#039;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Favorite Softwares &#124; Warren Tang&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joel Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 01:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you haven&#039;t trained the filter well enough. I manually went through a few hundred threads (a lot of Usenet spam is incredibly easy to classify by subject) in a couple of the newsgroups I use and now I get no false positives and only the odd false negative.

It seems like the plugin only allows you to control filtering on a per-group basis (rather than actually doing the filtering) so perhaps you&#039;ll need to either disable junk analysis entirely, or reinstall the plugin, disable junk analysis on the group, and then remove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you haven&#8217;t trained the filter well enough. I manually went through a few hundred threads (a lot of Usenet spam is incredibly easy to classify by subject) in a couple of the newsgroups I use and now I get no false positives and only the odd false negative.</p>
<p>It seems like the plugin only allows you to control filtering on a per-group basis (rather than actually doing the filtering) so perhaps you&#8217;ll need to either disable junk analysis entirely, or reinstall the plugin, disable junk analysis on the group, and then remove it.</p>
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		<title>By: MarcG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarcG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it not useful. It rated nearly every single post in science.electronics.design as spam (&gt;90). I uninstalled the add on, and Thunderbird continues to flag new posts as spam. That banner is annoying. I&#039;m sorry I ever installed the add on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it not useful. It rated nearly every single post in science.electronics.design as spam (&gt;90). I uninstalled the add on, and Thunderbird continues to flag new posts as spam. That banner is annoying. I&#8217;m sorry I ever installed the add on.</p>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes that should work. BTW the &quot;after classification&quot; filtering was also a feature that I added to the core code :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes that should work. BTW the &#8220;after classification&#8221; filtering was also a feature that I added to the core code <img src='http://mesquilla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joel Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, thanks a lot!

I tried the saved search thing but found a way to do it with message filters, which I think is a little neater:

Tools, Message Filters
Filters for.. and choose the news server or a single group
Apply filter when: Checking Mail (after classification) or Manually Run
Match all of the following: Junk Status is Junk
Perform these actions: Ignore Thread

I classified a bunch of messages manually, ran the junk mail controls on the rest, was satisfied that it was working, then did a Run Filters on Folder. Ignored threads are marked with a cross, and leaving and coming back to the folder made them disappear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, thanks a lot!</p>
<p>I tried the saved search thing but found a way to do it with message filters, which I think is a little neater:</p>
<p>Tools, Message Filters<br />
Filters for.. and choose the news server or a single group<br />
Apply filter when: Checking Mail (after classification) or Manually Run<br />
Match all of the following: Junk Status is Junk<br />
Perform these actions: Ignore Thread</p>
<p>I classified a bunch of messages manually, ran the junk mail controls on the rest, was satisfied that it was working, then did a Run Filters on Folder. Ignored threads are marked with a cross, and leaving and coming back to the folder made them disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave this a try using a rather &quot;long-in-the-tooth&quot; system.(P3-S 1.4 gig)
Running junk controls on folder seemed to run those controls on other folders as well as the selected newsgroup (probably just some settings) but I stopped the process after an hour or so.
Problem 1
Running the Junk analysis seemed to re-download every header in the newsgroup. For the newsgroup that I tried (mozilla.general)that amounted to 25,747 headers.

The killer was, that after running the junk controls, just opening that newsgroup takes about 15-20 seconds at 100% cpu utilization. I assume this is because of the overhead in reading the msf for the junk score.

I didn&#039;t try setting up the virtual folder.
Also the %junk numbers seemed wrong, although maybe that was because I didn&#039;t let the analysis run to completion.
For instance, some of my posts showed as 50 while the real junk showed as 0 or 1

This is just an FYI as I&#039;m thinking that I just don&#039;t have the CPU power to really utilize this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave this a try using a rather &#8220;long-in-the-tooth&#8221; system.(P3-S 1.4 gig)<br />
Running junk controls on folder seemed to run those controls on other folders as well as the selected newsgroup (probably just some settings) but I stopped the process after an hour or so.<br />
Problem 1<br />
Running the Junk analysis seemed to re-download every header in the newsgroup. For the newsgroup that I tried (mozilla.general)that amounted to 25,747 headers.</p>
<p>The killer was, that after running the junk controls, just opening that newsgroup takes about 15-20 seconds at 100% cpu utilization. I assume this is because of the overhead in reading the msf for the junk score.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t try setting up the virtual folder.<br />
Also the %junk numbers seemed wrong, although maybe that was because I didn&#8217;t let the analysis run to completion.<br />
For instance, some of my posts showed as 50 while the real junk showed as 0 or 1</p>
<p>This is just an FYI as I&#8217;m thinking that I just don&#8217;t have the CPU power to really utilize this.</p>
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